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Message 386 - Posted 7 May 2012 16:34:10 UTC

    For your information: The range of WUs we are working with are starting to partially converge to a solution. That is the reason they are taking more time. Remember that the Neurona modeller stops the computations as soon as it detects that the model is not feasible. The better the model generated by a WU fits with the ideal solution, the longer it takes to be computed. Most of the WUs end in just a few minutes just because they are not valid, but now are appearing a significant number of "not so bad" WUs. While I have not seen a "bingo" yet in the results, many WUs have been able to be half the way.

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    Message 387 - Posted 8 May 2012 9:26:35 UTC

      this is really good news.
      maybe there is a "bingo" workunit on its way ;)

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      Message 388 - Posted 9 May 2012 18:40:34 UTC

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        ok. these two units are real monsters.

        ~15.000secs

        http://falua.cesfelipesegundo.com/Neurona/workunit.php?wuid=1676919
        http://falua.cesfelipesegundo.com/Neurona/workunit.php?wuid=1676627

        edit:
        and there are a lot more of these really long units.
        currently my machine runs a unit for 2:26 hours.

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        Message 389 - Posted 9 May 2012 19:34:51 UTC - in response to Message 388.

          The best solution found so far, but not yet 100% valid, is Prueba20519908 with 12707 seconds of computation time, we are closing in. This is very exciting. After millions of WU I hope we can find something soon.

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          Message 390 - Posted 10 May 2012 19:58:26 UTC

            http://falua.cesfelipesegundo.com/Neurona/result.php?resultid=55250333

            15549 seconds :)

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            Message 391 - Posted 11 May 2012 6:11:59 UTC - in response to Message 390.

              This morning I had a quick look to the results folder and there are already more than 20 solutions for the neuronal network. That means that the model defined in the WU is at least able to sustain activity for the complete 1500 rounds the modeller simulates. I have not yet analysed if the activity not only lasts long enough but if also follows a valid pattern (that's another question), but looks quite promising.

              More information will come as it becomes available. Keep going with the hard work.

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              Message 392 - Posted 11 May 2012 6:36:34 UTC

                wu are getting longer, maybe it's time to think about the checkpoint

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                Message 393 - Posted 11 May 2012 7:56:38 UTC - in response to Message 392.

                  wu are getting longer, maybe it's time to think about the checkpoint


                  I was thinking about that but I have some concerns. To save the results and allow the modeller continue from a checkpoint I need to store the complete network, and that means a lot of space (at least as much as the RAM requirement, 2.5 GB per WU as a minimum) written and read every time the checkpoint is stored and restored.

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                  Message 403 - Posted 21 May 2012 21:20:01 UTC

                    I know that this is an old thread, and I'm not doing this project for the credit, but I've had workunits this month that have gone over 6 hours on my 3.4 ghz quad-core, that I've received 8 credits for. That's a lot of crunch time on a decent machine. 12 gigs of RAM, so that's not the problem.
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                    Message 405 - Posted 22 May 2012 13:04:57 UTC - in response to Message 403.

                      ...I've had workunits this month that have gone over 6 hours...

                      I've recently had a couple of wildly long results as well:

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                      Message 406 - Posted 22 May 2012 20:46:32 UTC - in response to Message 405.

                        I can increase the credit limit again, but will have side effects. In average I think it is OK. The WUs with so long CPU time are not so frequent and the 8 credits are also given from time to time to shorter WUs.

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                        Message 409 - Posted 6 Jun 2012 16:28:33 UTC - in response to Message 406.

                          Hi Javier,

                          did you increase the credit limit? While looking up my output it seems that the overall outcome is decreasing.
                          And by the way, how is it possible, that some WU with less CPU-time than others get more credits?

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                          Message 410 - Posted 8 Jun 2012 10:38:27 UTC - in response to Message 409.

                            Hi sightus!

                            I changed nothing since the limit was set to 8. The credits are calculated by BOINC automatically but for some reason this has not worked very well since the beginning of the project. Couldn't find a solution for that. My guess is that the system does not work well with WUs with so huge changing CPU times, but this is only a guessing.

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                            Message 411 - Posted 15 Jun 2012 16:58:04 UTC

                              Ok. Is there gonna be another adjustment of credits? How many WU are left?

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                              Message 412 - Posted 18 Jun 2012 21:06:15 UTC - in response to Message 411.

                                No changes are foreseen, and there are still 180000 WUs left.

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                                Message 413 - Posted 2 Jul 2012 21:04:08 UTC - in response to Message 412.

                                  It seems that there are some problems getting some new WU ;)

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